# [ $davids.sh ] · message #304
🚢 How Much Does It Cost to Play Around with Kubernetes? 🚢
I set up my own hybrid k8s (that's cloud-based but on a VPS) for various projects and want to share the numbers I ended up with.
The full article text is in the comments.
#k8s #devops #infra #cloud
@ [ $davids.sh ] · # 2006
# Minimal Setup
By my current calculations, to deploy:
# Minimum Resources
This will still leave 2 vCPUs and 4GB RAM for your applications.
# Prices per Machine
All shared CPU
Hetzner – $4 (40Gb) Digital Ocean – $24 (80Gb) Vultr – $20 (80Gb) Linode – $24 (80Gb) AWS – $30 (! without storage) GCP (2vCPU 8Gb) – $50 (! without storage)
Hetzner – $8 (80Gb) DO – $48 (160Gb) Vultr – $40 (160Gb) Linode – $48 (160Gb) AWS – $120 (! without storage) GCP – $84 (! without storage)
Hetzner – $5 Others – $10
# Prices for 1 CP + 2 W
Hetzner – $25 DO – $120 Vultr – $100 Linode – $120 AWS – $290 GCP – $250
# Managed
If you opt for managed solutions, on almost all platforms, you can easily reduce the cost by half to two-thirds.
I'd love to hear your stories about using on-premise / managed k8s servers, what you'd recommend, or if anyone has deployed on Hetzner and what your experience was like.
@ NP · # 2008
Hetzner doesn't back up SSD storage, which is a big minus. I learned that the hard way once. Otherwise, I use and practice it.
@ Dima Web 🌐 · # 2009
Hello to all foreigners) We use Yandex Cloud at home. It's expensive. ~$200 in total. Are we satisfied? — Yep.
Yandex Managed Service for Kubernetes
@ [ $davids.sh ] · # 2011
Wow
Do you mean Volumes? I remember this problem was N years ago, is it still happening? And you can't do both backups and snapshots?
@ [ $davids.sh ] · # 2012
Ah yes, I completely forgot to mention that I was specifically talking about Bourgeois because I haven't touched Russian [services/companies] in a long time)
But 3 years ago, we had managed k8s first on Yandex, then on Selectel, and it was absolute hell: from entire cluster crashes to RAID failures (hallelujah, we backed up to S3 on every release).
Is it better now?
@ NP · # 2015
Uh-huh, exactly them, and it seems like none of the listed things are allowed.
@ [ $davids.sh ] · # 2016
So annoying...
@ Ivan ITK 🚫 · # 2018
Are you joking right now, or are you not being completely serious? What led you to those conclusions?
Snapshots (also known as backups) are taken from the current main SSD disk (not including attached external block volumes) and are perfectly restorable to new instances or to the same one. This has always been the case as long as I've known Hetzner.
Attached volumes do not have a built-in backup system because they have a different storage architecture. However, triple data replication is provided. Users must organize their own redundancy.
@ Dima Web 🌐 · # 2019
Yes, everything is fine.
@ [ $davids.sh ] · # 2020
The discussion is indeed about Volumes and the lack of snapshot functionality.
Yes, triple replication greatly increases data storage reliability, but it doesn't, for example, allow for rollbacks.
It's certainly possible to do it yourself, but it's interesting why they didn't provide a native way to snapshot volumes.
@ [ $davids.sh ] · # 2021
And also, for example, it can be easier to make a snapshot of the DB storage during deployment, rather than making a dump from it (dumping a 250GB Pg is painful, and connecting and disconnecting a read replica is difficult/expensive).
@ NP · # 2022
Yes, that's correct, we're talking about attachable Volumes.
@ Ivan ITK 🚫 · # 2023
And which provider has snapshots for block storage?
@ [ $davids.sh ] · # 2024
Isn't there? I'll go double-check.
@ Ivan ITK 🚫 · # 2025
Only major ones like AWS, GCloud, etc.
@ Ivan ITK 🚫 · # 2026
This is an expensive pleasure in terms of infrastructure, and a heavy load on the channels to move hundreds of petabytes every day.